Date: Sat, 31 Jul 99 23:20PM MDT From: Cliff Hume To: (Recipient list suppressed) Subject: L&J: Fwd: Columbine Shootings. New point to ponder. Lt.Col. William A. Williams wrote to me just after he saw a 2 star General from NATO on a news broadcast from the scene. That should be checked out also. Cliff. >X-From_: errors-43518-3759-humec=island.net@onelist.com Sat Jul 31 >14:41:15 1999 >Return-Path: >Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:40:44 -0500 (CDT) >X-Sender: jstaffen@pop.flash.net >To: TheFrogPond@onelist.com, chris83473@aol.com >From: Jean Staffen >Mailing-List: list TheFrogPond@onelist.com; contact TheFrogPond-owner@onelist.com >Delivered-To: mailing list TheFrogPond@onelist.com >List-Unsubscribe: >Reply-to: TheFrogPond@onelist.com >Subject: [TheFrogPond] L&J: Fwd: Columbine Shootings. New point to ponder. > >From: Jean Staffen > >---------------forwarded--------------------- >>> >>> FYI - I just wanted to pass this on because of the current situation >>> in Atlanta. Columbine stinks to high heaven but it just seems like >>> these random shootings always pop up when the president needs one. It >>> sure changes the flow of the news for the day. I think his contempt >>> citation and fine will be small news if it is even covered at all >>> tonight. It will probably force Congress to pass the current "juvenile >>> crime bill" with it's draconian gun restrictions. >>> >>> http://www.columbine.home.dhs.org/ >>> >>> Source: columbine.home.dhs.org >>> Published: July 22, 1999 Author: Columbine Research Task Force >>> Posted on 07/29/1999 13:10:17 PDT by blackcat >>> >>> >>> >>> "Intelligence agent talks" >>> >>> For over a week the CRTF webmaster and Mr. John Quinn have been in >>> contact with a man who claims to work for a notable >>> government intelligence agency in Denver. This man visited Columbine >>> High School the day after the shooting. He is a "Computer >>> Scientist and Forensics Investigative Specialist". His past is laced >>> with missions in Vietnam, duties with the CIA, Special Forces >>> groups, and other government connections. >>> >>> For the past week we have made attempts to verify this man's identity. >>> The CRTF webmaster has interviewed in-length three friends >>> of this source who live in Denver. These people all concurred that the >>> source works for the intelligence agency he claims, is truthful >>> and honest, and was at Columbine High School a day after the shooting. >>> We consider these three people to be credible and honest >>> themselves. We also have in our possession the full name, phone number >>> and mailing address of this source. We consider this >>> source to be fully, 100% truthful. The source wishes to remain >>> anonymous. >>> >>> We shall refer to this source henceforth as "Wilton" (not his real >>> name). >>> >>> Wilton wishes to publicly expose the truth about the Columbine High >>> School shooting, among other things. He says, "I've only had >>> one goal for the past eleven years -- help as many people as possible >>> by getting them information so as to prepare themselves for >>> what is coming." >>> >>> Due to his background and specialties in the field of forensics, >>> Wilton was called to Columbine a day after the shooting by two of his >>> agency's field agents. There, Wilton relates to us a scene in which an >>> "alphabet soup" of government agencies had converged. "My >>> partner and I, and our field agents then toured the school, assessing >>> the death and devastation, the backpacks, the incredible >>> number of federal agents on the scene, and so forth..." >>> >>> "There was no third gunman, in the conventional sense." Instead, says >>> Wilton, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms >>> agents were seen prior, during, and after the shooting, specifically >>> on the roof of the school and inside the school. "They >>> were observed on the roof of the school shortly before 11:21 that >>> morning, by 4 neighbors across the street from the >>> school, and by at least 12 students, all of whom have given sworn >>> statements to this fact. The ATF agents were seen >>> dropping through the roof into the school at apparently the same time >>> the shooting started. We spoke with two of the >>> neighbors and six of the students who all confirmed this." What is >>> more, Wilton says up to ten students all gave sworn >>> testimony stating that they did not recognize specific non-masked >>> shooters. >>> >>> "Shell casings have been found in areas where the two boys did not >>> go....Shell casings were found on the roof of the school." >>> >>> "The boys did not start a fire, then go and kill themselves. In fact, >>> when they got to the cafeteria, apparently, they turned down and to >>> their left in an attempt to get out of the building! Seeing the law >>> enforcement people, and the fire department personnel, they instead >>> turned back into the cafeteria and disappeared. Apparently, fifteen >>> minutes later they were dead. They did not kill themselves, >>> however. We've seen the forensics, the bodies and the physical >>> evidence. The powder burns on the skulls were not expressive >>> enough to have been a suicide. In other words, they were not dark >>> enough, black enough, intense enough. The wounds were created >>> from a distance of apparently three feet." >>> >>> Wilton reviewed a copy of the school's surveillance tape (he noted the >>> tape had not yet been "doctored" by the FBI). He reports as >>> follows, "What we saw on the tape -- we had a copy, remember -- was >>> the two boys rounding a corner, fully armed. What it also >>> showed, however, was that several seconds later, possibly 30 >>> [seconds], two other men rounded the corner after them, moving very >>> quickly. They wore black jumps, typical of the ATF or FBI, were >>> heavily armed and appeared to be carrying explosive devices, >>> possibly grenades. Possibly. Their faces were not seen, they were not >>> observed again." >>> >>> "Two ATF agents were observed planting 3 of the 5 propane >>> bombs...after the school had been thoroughly searched >>> twice by all law enforcement personnel!" A Captain and a Sergeant of >>> the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department >>> witnessed the ATF agents placing the bombs in the school. "We spoke to >>> these two individuals -- in fact we were the only >>> people they would talk to about what they had seen. They are extremely >>> frightened and will not come [out] and make >>> statements to this effect." >>> >>> Wilton says that teacher Patti Nielson told him personally that she >>> was shot by a "lone gunman", and not by either Eric >>> Harris or Dylan Klebold. There are even questions as to whether Harris >>> and Klebold were actually responsible for the massacre >>> that subsequently occurred in the library after Nielson was shot. >>> "Nielson has also stated -- as have several of the students with her >>> -- that while they were crouched on the floor at 11:45 [in the >>> library] they distinctly heard 'bombs' going off downstairs!" >>> >>> "Within twenty minutes of the beginning of the shootings, the FBI, the >>> CIA, the NSA, the ATF, FEMA (their emergency preparedness >>> van) and MI6 -- I know the agent and was quite surprised at his >>> interest -- were on the bloody scene! Now how in the hell is that >>> possible? This was a state matter, what were all these Feds doing >>> here?", said Wilton. >>> >>> Wilton continued on to concur that a "SOG" or "Strategic Operations >>> Group" agent who is a Boy Scout leader 39 years of age in the >>> Denver area was directly involved in the shooting. This was first >>> reported by John Quinn. "He has blatantly made statements to the >>> effect that he was not only involved in the murders at Columbine, but >>> was squad leader. We have several sworn statements to this >>> effect", he said. Wilton called the 6 million dollars raised for >>> Columbine students and parents a "hush fund". He complained of the >>> blatant "SWAT" tactics used during the shooting, which he says could >>> not have been the work of two young boys. Wilton was >>> appalled at the "calculated" attitude of Governor Bill Owens as he >>> surveyed the school. Owens was apparently "assessing the >>> damage to see what could have been done different. The commando >>> tactics used were certainly straight out of the Feds book." >>> >>> It was reported in the news media that Dylan Klebold was known as >>> "Vodka" because he once guzzled an entire bottle of the >>> alcoholic beverage. However, Wilton reports that "Vodka" is actually >>> an older man in his fifties who would visit both Harris and >>> Klebold and "came only at night and was very secretive about his >>> affairs and dealings with the boys. And dealt only with the two >>> boys...'Vodka' seems to have been their controller, their handler." >>> Friends of both boys provided Wilton with this information. Wilton >>> says "Vodka" also provided the boys with mind-altering >>> "pyscho-trowpic" drugs. "These drugs were present in the bodies of the >>> two, >>> [and] were identified in the autopsies..." >>> >>> Wilton blasted Sheriff John Stone calling him "compromised, [a] >>> cowardly piece of scum." Stone, says Wilton, knew beforehand that >>> the shooting would occur and did nothing to stop it. Stone "lied >>> straight faced to the press, the citizens and the students many times >>> about these things...He is a liar, a coward and a traitor. I've told >>> this to him and several of his men, as well as two ATF agents >>> on-site, personally. Needless to say, I'm not always welcome....breaks >>> my bloody heart!" >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >ATTN ONELIST USERS: stay current on the latest activities, >programs, & features at ONElist by joining our member newsletter at >Click > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >If you put a frog into a pot of boiling water, he will jump >out. 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