Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:23:23 -0800
From: "Gregory" ekklesi-@presys.com

I posted Claire's statement. The Bilderbergers and CFR are not
traitors, they are very loyal to the Bilderbergers and CFR.
I may step on some toes here but Jesus said call no man on earth Father
but my Father in heaven. If the Burgers and the CFR are traitors then
the signers of the Constitution for the United States are also traitors
to the Republics of America. Then everyone who leaves the freedom of
the Republic for the security of the US federal democracy is also a
traitor. The United States was never free the men who created it knew
that.

"Just as the revolutionary Adams opposed the Constitution in
Massachusetts, so did Patrick Henry in Virginia, and the contest in
that most important State of all was prolonged and bitter. He who in
Stamp Act days had proclaimed that there should be no Virginians or New
Yorkers, but only Americans, now declaimed as violently against the
preamble of the Constitution because it began, `We the people of the
United States' instead of `We, the State.' Like many, he feared a
`consolidated' government, and the loss of states rights. Not only
Henry but much abler men, such as Mason, Benjamin Harrison, Munroe,
R.H. Lee were also opposed and debated...others in what was the most
acute discussion carried on anywhere..."
        "Owing to the way in which the conventions were held, the great
opposition manifested everywhere, and the management required to secure
the barest majorities for ratification, it seems impossible to avoid
the conclusion that the greater part of the people were opposed to the
Constitution."
        "It was not submitted to the people directly, and in those days of
generally limited suffrage, even those who voted for delegates to the
State conventions were mostly of a propertied class, although the
amount of property called for may have been slight." History of the
U.S. by James Truslow Adams V.1. pp. 258-259.
        Was the Constitution of the United States ever ratified and what is
its true source of authority? There has been serious questions raised
and continuous arguments made about the lawful passing of certain
amendments. The fact is the Constitution of the United States was never
ratified according to the law at the time.
        "If a constitution expressly provides that it may be amended only in a
certain way and another way followed, such and attempted amendment is
illegal; but if it is acquiesced in it becomes effective as a peaceful
revolution such as took place when the United States Constitution took
effect upon the ratification by nine states in spite of the fact that
the old Articles of Confederation provided that they should not be
amended without unanimous consent of the states." (Clark's Sum. of
American Law, Constitutional Law Chapt 1, §1 p. 462)
        Ignorance and vanity tempered with apathy and avarice are the greatest
allies to tyranny. So what is the authority that makes the Constitution
of the United States and its Amendments the law of the land and the
authority in our lives?
        Because of constructive and direct waivers by the states it has become
common today to hear the once sovereign states referred to as only
"quasi sovereign."
        Citizenship is, "The status of being a citizen" and may include a,
"Membership in a political society, implying a duty of allegiance on
the part of the member and a duty of protection on the part of
society." (Luria v. U.S., 231 U.S.9,34 S.Ct.10,13,58
l.ed.101.(Black's3rd.p.330))
        Whether a citizen is still a natural inhabitant or has obtained
membership in a political society he has certain rights, although,
those rights may differ. The natural inhabitant may be a member of a
society or civitas(Any body of people living under the same laws.
Black's 3rd.) but he remains an individual with civil rights within
that general body.
The United States is not a Republic
  "I believe in the United States of America as a government...whose
just powers are derived from the consent of the governed: a democracy
in a republic." April 3, 1918, the new American creed was read in
Congress
http://presys.com/~ekklesia/rvd.htm
http://presys.com/~ekklesia/dvd.htm

If you go into the democracy, rights may become priviledges.
"Civil rights are such as belong to every citizen of the state or
country, or, in a wider sense to all its inhabitants, and are not
connected with the organization or the administration of government.
They include the rights of property, marriage, protection by laws,
freedom of contract, trial by jury, etc."
An individual who becomes a member or person in a political society
also has civil rights. But the origin of those rights being political
are rights "pertaining or relating to the policy or administration of
government.." So, "as otherwise defined, civil rights are rights
appertaining to a person in virtue of his citizenship in a state or
community. Rights capable of being enforced or redressed in civil
action. Also a term applied to certain rights secured to citizens of
the United States by the thirteenth and fourteenth amendments to the
constitution, and by various acts of congress made in pursuance
thereof."  Black's 3rd p. 1559.
http://presys.com/~ekklesia/cvc.htm

What are you a member of? The United States wars against the freedom of
the republic. Those who remain in the republic are considered enemy
aliens.

It is not safe being free in America that is why I have opted to be a
slave of Christ.

David was anointed of God but he never had to killed Saul. Saul fell on
his own sword. The burger guys and the rest of the powers that would be
will make the ultimate blunder and will be destroyed by an army they
are building. The enemies of the Lord turned on themselves time and
again. There are many things people do not understand in the
governments and systems they build for themselves.
Nation, country and government are not synonymous terms.
If you consent under the United States government and it agrees with
the Burgers then what is your complaint. A democracy is a common purse
of rights where according to Jefferson fifty one percent of the people
can take away the rights of the other fourty nine.

 Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:  My son, walk not
thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path: For their
feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood. Surely in vain the net
is spread in the sight of any bird.  And they lay wait for their own
blood; they lurk privily for their own lives. So are the ways of every
one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners
thereof.
 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets: She
crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates:
in the city she uttereth her words, saying, How long, ye simple ones,
will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning,
and fools hate knowledge? Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour
out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.  Because I
have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man
regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of
my reproof:  I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your
fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction
cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. Then
shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me
early, but they shall not find me:  For that they hated knowledge, and
did not choose the fear of the LORD: They would none of my counsel:
they despised all my reproof. Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of
their own way, and be filled with their own devices.  For the turning
away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall
destroy them. But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and
shall be quiet from fear of evil. PR 1:14...

The United States government is designed after the empire of Rome.
The three offices delivered after election, solemnized by oath, to
Caesar Augustus and other subsequent rulers of that day and this day
were Emperor (translated in Collin's latin dictionary, Comander in
chief, the head of the army and navy),  'Principas Civitas' (first
citizen, chief executive officer of Rome a municipality, his wife would
have been the first lady) and its Apo Theos (Originator of gods, ruling
magistrate, appointer of justices). The Apo theos apointed all the
federal or empirical judges throughout the empire.

God has said, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."Exodus 20:3 The
words "gods" and "God" are translated from the single word 'elohiym in
the plural. 'Elohiym is defined "rulers, judges" and "occasionally
applied as deference to magistrates"(Strong's Hebrew and Chaldee
Dictionary) while in the New Testament the word God is translated from
the Greek word theos which figuratively means "a magistrate."(Strong's
Greek Dictionary of the New Testament.)

Bill Clinton is The commander in chief of the army, navy and air force.
The United States is like the beast but it can make fire come down out
of the heavens in the site of men. Bill is the chief executive officer
of Washington DD a municipality. And Bill is the apo theos or
originator of gods for the United States Federal Democracy.

Welcome to Rome.
 Judges 10:14  Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them
deliver you in the time of your tribulation.

If you want to save the nation get out of Rome get out of Egypt.

If you want to save your soul get Rome and Egypt out of your hearts and
minds.

Gregory at the ekklesia